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I'd have to read again to be sure if it's saying Arikel is Lilith, or just a daughter of her. who often get later associations with Lilith, and this seems to be the unsaid name in all of this. In general the Toreador Antediluvian gets associated with Ishtar, Inanna, etc.
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Abismiliard is mentioned strangely, and there's an implication that Nosferatu and Malkavian Antediluvian were once and split in half, hence the physical/mental deformation. The Nosferatu section talks about ways to divide things that you might not expect, not identical halves. There's a lot of talk relating to 'splitting' and 'halves' relating to these Clans, including the Toreador section Tzimisce tearing someone in half. Toreador, Nosferatu, Malkavian, Tzimisce, and Gangrel have interesting connections to each other. Now if you read the other histories and look for the Clans and Progenitors mentioned by other ones, you'll see certain things repeating and connecting. If you think about the stories being told as both working chronologically, but also giving you different aspects of a single story (through the way history repeats itself), you see basically a single repeating story that talks about the Second Generation, the founding of the Baali, the forbidden love presumably between Arikel and Malkav, her twin. Now the timing is off, but the whole book and in particular this section mentions that dates, names, and facts change, but they tell a greater truth. One of the Greek myths it goes through involves a woman weeping for the loss of her children and turning to stone, which reads a lot like Zillah. Petrichore is the opening word to the section, which refers to ichor (divine blood) and stones. The whole forbidden love theme then gets repeated throughout the mythologies and stories of the following sections, particularly Crerte and Carthage. It mentions earlier that she had a twin and notes the lover was "as beautiful as she was," which seems like a clever way of indicating it was her twin. The initial section also talks about her getting into trouble with a love affair and having to flee. The Carthage/Rome section ends with “And of course we were the bad guys for bailing." This seemed like a wink about them being Baali.
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Starting with the Greek section through Constantinople, every place mentioned is associated with the Baali, and all of the mythological references connect to Lilith, Bulls, Ba'al, etc. Read the Lore of the Clans history section for Toreador as the main basis. I have a lot more specific notes and evidence on all of this, but I wanted to put out the basics first to give others the opportunity to explore. Hey who would be as beautiful as she was? Her twin maybe? Note throughout the histories in Lore of the Clans (the various sections) the connections made between Malkav and Nosferatu, specifically in relation to 'splitting' or 'halves' Some say that Arikel even fell in love with Absimiliard, one of Zillah’s childer, a man as beautiful as she was.``` Side note: I bet 'The Shaper' in relation to the Tzimisce Antediluvian relates to ' Mashkan-shapir' Oh, and the Asakku creatures in Tal'Mahe'Ra call themselves ' Aretstikapha ' which is just another word for Arakiel Oh, and this cute little line: ``` “And of course we were the bad guys for bailing.”``` That the name of the Toreador Methuselah at Carthage means 'Face of Baal' and is associated with 'Baali Farming'? Not to mention that the Toreador make a big deal out of manipulating a single person to create large changes? Anyone else notice that in 'Lore of the Clans' pretty much all of the sections in the Toreador history connect to places with historical Baali problems?īeyond that they all tie into mythology connecting to bulls and Inanna? Which can easily then be connected to Moloch and Lilith?